On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Iftikhar ahmad <london_school_of_islamics@btinternet.com> wrote:
Western civilisation is based on Judeo-Christian-Islamic doctrine. The late Pim Fortuyn’s view of Islam as backwards because of its views on homosexuality. Christians and Judaism also share the Islamic view. Why did Pim pick on Islam?
AC reply 1: Sodomite PF felt
safe in a non-Muslim context because Dutch Christianity has largely
become 'PC' liberal, as has much Judaism. However, Orthodox Christians
like myself condemn sodomy, as we also condemn Islam for its barbaric
penalties for sodomites, and its debased Muslim views of marriage and
the humiliation of women therein.
Multiculturalism involves a level of complexity which cannot be understood from the prospective of any single discipline. Instead, historical, cultural, linguistic, political, economic, educational, sociological and psychological factors and processes all play critical role.
AC reply 2: Multiculturalism is
'PC' nonsense when it concerns moral principles and systems of law. You
Muslims use M'ism as a tool to promote the overthrow of our
Christian-based democratic heritage in favour of shari'a. You are
dishonest deceivers of the first order!
Multiculturalism is not about integration but about cultural plurality. It is not about separation but about respect and the deepening awareness of Unity in Diversity. Each culture will maintain its own intrinsic value and at the same time would be expected to contribute to the benefit of the whole society. Multiculturalism can accommodate diversity of all kinds – cultural, philosophical and religious – so that we can create a world without conflict and strife. Britain can assume the role of accommodation and concern for all peoples, for our planet and indeed for our survival. We live in a rapidly changing world.
AC reply 3: M'ism is a mistake
for reasons given above. Your idea of diversity ends up as division not
unity. If Muslims believe in pluralism, why are Christians denied
liberty in Saudi Arabia? If you ever gained power in the UK, you would
treat the Christian dhimmis likewise. But you are not honest enough to
admit that! Hence Islam has no valid place within Western culture and is
rightly resisted.
Islam is the largest non-Christian faith in Britain, and has the worst press. It is the only religion about which it is permissible to publicly express uninformed hostile opinions. According to Lord Hattersley, fundamentalism is less acceptable when it is not white. Islam has been a focal point for the new racism, and remains on the edge of mainstream British life. The changing political and legal environment in western countries across the board has undermined the quality of life of western Muslims. Many face discrimination in the work place, are victims of racial and religious profiling, international travel has become difficult and risky. Islamic institutions, and particularly Masajid and Islamic Charities face harassment and unnecessary scrutiny. The murder of a Dutch film producer, the denial of a visa to the US for Tariq Ramadan and the humiliation deportation of Yusuf Islam from the US immediately on arrival are all front page news all over the world. Cryer caused great offence within the Muslim community by her pronouncements on issues of children not speaking English at home, and her criticism of transcontinental marriages. The choice of wives ensures that the children will grow up confident and familiar in both cultures. France officially mourns Pope but bans Muslim scarf. It shows the hypocrisy of French Secularism.
AC reply 4: Led by apostate
Christian leaders and blinkered pro-islamite socialists, Islam shows
growth as nominal Christianity declines. That said, have you ever asked
why Islam gets a bad press? Is it for no reason at all? Besides the
gross intolerance of your UK militant bombing types, the violent and
oppressive track record of Islam overseas creates justified fear of what
you would do if you gained mainstream influence. You whine and howl as
victims as if you are innocent. But you are not. You are a threat to be
resisted by civilised society (or what remains of it after secularism
has done its own damage). As I've said many times, if you don't feel
comfortable in the West, return to your ancestral origins and leave us
alone! While jihad drives you to impose your decadent ideology, you'll
never be welcome here. It is grossly unreasonable to tolerate those who
have no intention of tolerating us.
Islam is not a culture but a body of principals and universal values. British Muslims are enriching for the whole society. From the Middle Ages, Islam has participated in the building of a European as well as British consciousness. The influence of Islamic civilisation on the literary and philosophical traditions is innumerable.
AC reply 5: Of course Islam is a
culture, and a bad one. The principles and values of Islam are
anti-Christian and to the detriment of human happiness - except for you
Muslim men who use and abuse your women (and available kuffar
females) for your self-centred erotic satisfaction. Islam has nothing to
give us that Christianity doesn't already offer. Christian-based
civilisation has contributed enrichment to human happiness. The opposite
is the case regarding Islam. Indeed, Islam has done nothing to enrich
the world for most of its history and certainly for the last 600 years.
Your verdict on the benefits of Islam is not
correct, even though scholars argue that early Islam transmitted the
philosophy and science of the classical world to the West when Europe
was still in darkness. The scholarly work of Averroes (building on the
earlier achievements of Avicenna) and others reflects the fact that as
Islamic military expansion spread westwards from Arabia to Egypt and
once-Roman North Africa, Muslims eventually absorbed the civilised
features of the cultures they conquered.
However, the transmission of Graeco-Roman
culture was not intrinsic to Islam. As the history of al-Andalus
(Moorish Spain) makes clear, once the conquering warriors of Muhammad
settled down, a softer life-style induced a more cultured existence at
centres like Seville and Cordoba. This could not continue indefinitely
when successive waves of more fanatical radicals from the Atlas
Mountains arrived only to awaken their brothers from their slumbering
compromise with infidelity. This is precisely what is happening in
Europe and the UK now. While Muslim immigrants are enjoying the benefits
of Western economic progress, they are tempted to prefer their adopted
life-style to the more traditional austerities of the Islamic world.
Such compromise with infidelity is regarded as a threat to orthodox
Islam by radical imams and their militant activists, who then pressurise
the moderates to conform to jihadist ideals.
AC reply 6: LAST AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL,
there is no salvation in Islam. Since you reject Jesus Christ as the
Son of God and only Saviour of the world, you cut yourself off from all
hope of salvation. Since you deny that He died on the cross for our
sins, you can never know forgiveness. For this ultimate reason, the
world needs Christ not Muhammad. You Muslims need what we Christians
have to offer. The last thing we need is soul-damning Islam. I pray you
will leave your dark delusions behind and embrace the Gospel of God's
Grace in Jesus Christ.
Dr Alan C. Clifford
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